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by G. Simon on 2/18
Justin, I respect the result of a free and fair election. You are right in a way, Preval was my preference in the race because a country like Haiti needs to be lifted from the bottom up, and I believe Preval can provide that relief; nevertherless, Haiti is desperately in need of capital investment, which can be provided by Haitians in the diaspora, the business community in Haiti, and foreigners. Once a candidate wins an election and gains the support of the entire world, I mean the entire nations on this planet, you must know that the election was fair to say the least. Even though Baker was not my choice, had he won and gained the same support that Preval is now enjoying within the international community, I would have supported him in the name of peace, progress, and stability for Haiti. Reconciliation & Peace
G. Simon G. Simon
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by ajane, replying to G. Simon on 19-Feb-06 03:47 AM
Now it is clear that the leader # 2 in Haiti after our President "Ti Rene" is "Charlito". Forget about these traditional politicians like: Manigat, Bazin or K-Plim. These traditional political leaders only want to become president to steal millions just like Aristide and his companion :Fourel Celestin did. Now, we only have 2 leaders in Haiti. Our President Rene Preval and Charles Henry Baker.
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by justin, replying to G. Simon on 18-Feb-06 08:01 AM
Mr. G. simon I liked your answer. I sensed honesty in your words
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by G. Simon on 2/17
Election is over. Losing an election is never easy to handle; however, Baker said something that all Haitians should give thoughtful consideration. Baker said "Ayiti se yon bato, si bato a koule se tout moun kap koule" (Haiti is like a ship, if it capsizes and drowns, everybody will perish". I hope that Baker means what he says, and I hope that all Haitians apply these very thoughtful words. Peace to all Haitians! G. Simon
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by jusitn, replying to G. Simon on 17-Feb-06 10:08 PM
G. Simon tell me this had preval lost and someone else had won, anyone. In a fraud free election would you have call for all to unite and help in the rebuilding process of haiti. From all your comments I get the impression that your love for Preval comes before Haiti. Which is unfortunate. Now before you get upset, ask yourself honestly, what would you have done and say if the masses chose someone else. Would you have been courageous enough to respect and support their choice?
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by hernandez, replying to G. Simon on 17-Feb-06 09:44 PM
If the boat capsizes, then we all have to swim on our own to get out of this mess.
NAGE POU NOU SOTI
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by Zorey Fin on 2/16
i heard that charles baker made a smart comment about preval on the newspaper anyone has a comment about that? anyone read or heard it? I heard it on eht radio
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by anonymous, replying to Zorey Fin on 16-Feb-06 04:49 PM
Not about Preval, about the deal that was struck: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060216/ts_nm/hai...
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"We thought we were in a democratic process and everybody would observe the rules," said industrialist Charles Baker, considered the main candidate of the wealthy elite and a distant third with 7.9 percent of the vote.
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by G. Simon on 2/15
Group 004/Greedy Vampires (formerly Group 184), the Bush administration, CIA, and IRI invented the Blank Votes to suppress Preval's ballots. This trick won't fly. The Haitian people won't accept anything less than Preval the president of Haiti in the first round. Check this out from Congresswoman Maxime Waters:
______________________ Subject: Cong. Waters Denouces Obvious Attempts to Steal Elections in Haiti... PRESS RELEASE For Immediate Release Contact: Mikael Moore February 15, 2006, 12:01 a.m. (202) 225-2201 CONGRESSWOMAN WATERS DENOUNCES THE OBVIOUS ATTEMPTS TO STEAL THE ELECTIONS IN HAITI AND DENY RENE PREVAL THE PRESIDENCY Washington, D.C. - Today, on Capitol Hill, Rep. Maxine Waters (CA-35) released a statement on the elections in Haiti. The elections took place on Tuesday, February 7, but the results have yet to be announced. The Congresswoman's statement follows: The obvious attempts to steal the elections in Haiti are blatant and shameful. It is absolutely outrageous that the President Aristide-haters, the anti-Lavalas elites, and the United States Government would so openly and blatantly steal these elections. The international community is witnessing yet another blow against the Haitian people by the same forces that forced President Aristide out of Haiti, the same forces who are responsible for all of the chaos and destabilization of this small country. How much more can the Haitian people take? The anti-Aristide forces have done everything in their power to imprison the leaders of the Lavalas Party and deny Lavalas leaders their right to run for office and their right to voice their opposition to the Group of 184, the Provisional Electoral Council, the puppet government, the International Republican Institute, and others who are determined to undermine democracy in Haiti. President Bush must accept responsibility for the ongoing violence, the chaos, and the blatant attempts to steal these elections. Early results showed an overwhelming victory for Rene Preval. Many polling stations posted their results the day after the elections, and Preval won between 60% and 90% of the vote in all of these polling stations. Last Thursday, the Provisional Electoral Council was reporting that Preval had 61.5% of the votes counted thus far. Since that time, 125, 000 ballots or 7.5% of the votes cast were declared invalid by the CEP because of alleged irregularities. Another 4% of the ballots were allegedly blank but nevertheless included in the vote count, thereby making it more difficult for Preval to exceed 50%. No one in their right mind could possibly believe that Rene Preval's lead plunged so quickly below the 50% required to avoid a runoff. What are the people of Haiti to do? Who in the international community will step forward and speak up against the obvious power-grab perpetrated on a nearly defenseless people? I am totally disgusted with my own government and the role it played in this entire fiasco. Is their no shame? Is their no compassion? Is their no decency? I cannot believe the audacity of the United Nations and others to tell the Haitian people that they should not resist oppression and demand respect. The Haitian people have suffered greatly at the hands of the United States, France and Canada, powerful nations who preach democracy and yet orchestrated the removal of the democratically-elected president of Haiti and drove him from his own country. Is their no shame in the fact that the United States installed the puppet Prime Minister Gerard Latortue from Boca Raton, Florida, who proceeded to jail former Prime Minister Yvon Neptune on frivolous charges and jailed other Lavalas leaders like former Interior Minister Jocelerme Privert, Haitian singer Anne Auguste and Father Gerard Jean-Juste without cause? Is their no shame in the fact that the United States allowed Roger Noriega to conspire with Andy Apaid and the Group of 184 to manipulate Haitian students in cooperation with the Haitian elites in an attempt to grab control of that country for their own purposes? Haven't the Haitian people suffered enough? The man-made terror and violence coupled with natural disasters that have been inflicted upon the people of Haiti will be recorded in history as catastrophic events that caused tremendous loss of life and an unbearable and tragic existence for the Haitian people. After all of this suffering, is the United States really prepared to stand by and deny the poorest of people who persevered on election day, walked for miles, and waited for hours for the right to elect persons of their choice? If so, then the President of the United States does not deserve to use the word "democracy," for he neither respects nor supports it, but simply promotes the rhetoric of democracy to his own advantage. I stand with the people of Haiti. I stand with the Lavalas Party. I stand with Rene Preval and his Party of Hope. I stand with President Aristide. I stand for justice, equality and democracy. And I challenge the United States, France and Canada to correct their destructive behavior and give democracy a chance. Rene Preval is obviously the elected president of Haiti. He received considerably more than 50% of the vote, and he must be granted the right to serve without further interference, obstacles or violence.
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by patriotic Sentinel, replying to G. Simon on 15-Feb-06 11:10 PM
hey, brother, it is the real me! i should be happy, but i see a slippery slop in having foreign countries negating established rules in our country. what if tomorrow, they decide to negate a well-cherished law.
please, do not call me a hypocrit, but such moves make me very uneasy. i would rather have us go to court and get a favorable judgment from our supreme court than to have foreign countries negating our agreed-upon rules. sorry guys, i am ambivalent about that!!!
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by hernandez, replying to G. Simon on 15-Feb-06 09:57 PM
PORT-AU-PRINCE (AFP) - Foreign diplomats in Haiti considered proposals that would give Rene Preval his claimed presidential election victory, as his supporters again demonstrated against alleged fraud.
Further delaying the outcome of the February 7 vote, a commission was formed to probe frontrunner Preval's claims of "massive fraud or gross errors." Representatives of the international community in Haiti were considering ways of avoiding a second round that could further fuel tension in the Caribbean country, a senior Brazilian government official said. One proposal under consideration is to remove blank ballots from the count, according to sources close to the talks. With 90 percent of the ballots counted, Preval had 48.76 percent of the vote. Should the 85, 290 blank ballots counted so far be discarded, he would jump to just over 51 percent and win outright without having to go to a runoff election. "We are making proposals without trying to interfere in Haiti's legal process, but we feel that given the climate in the country, this would be the best solution," Marco Aurelio Garcia, a top foreign policy aide to the Brazilian president said in Brasilia. Brazil commands the 9, 500-strong UN force deployed in Haiti. Jose Miguel Insulza, secretary general of the Organization of American States arrived in Port-au-Prince Wednesday to participate in what he called efforts to "find peaceful and democratic solutions to the situation." Before arriving here and during a stopover in Santo Domingo, Insulza said of the Haiti election that he did "not believe there has been fraud, but there have been mistakes in the process." Preval for his part, has held several meeting with foreign diplomats and interim president Boniface Alexandre over the past days. As the discussions were underway, Preval supporters took to the streets across the capital for a fifth consecutive day, incensed over the discovery of ballots at a garbage dump in the capital. Several thousand people gathered outside the presidential palace, chanting "abuse, abuse," holding aloft ballot boxes and waving pictures of Preval. "We are protesting because they stole our votes," said Simon Jean Eud, 28, brandishing a torn ballot marked for Preval, which he said came from the dump. Many businesses remained closed and American Airlines canceled its flights to Miami for the third day running amid security concerns. In New York, the UN Security Council urged authorities to fully probe the claims of irregularities, and called on Haitians to respect the outcome of the vote when it is finally announced. Preval has rejected the partial results that put him shy of a majority despite a huge lead over his 31 rivals. If Preval, 63, does not top 50 percent of the votes, he will have to compete in a runoff poll with Leslie Manigat, 75, who took a distant second place. Authorities have indicated the final outcome of the election would not be announced until completion of the probe to be conducted by Preval's party and the electoral council with the government acting as referee. "We are convinced that we will win in the first round," said Preval, who was president from 1996 to 2001 and who enjoys strong support among the millions of impoverished Haitians. Preval on Tuesday encouraged his supporters to continue demonstrating their rejection of the partial results, but urged them to do so peacefully. On Monday, a protester was shot dead during a demonstration. The UN Stabilization Force in Haiti (MINUSTAH) said UN troops were nearby but rejected claims they were responsible for the death, insisting they fired in the air and not at protesters. The UN force, headed by Brazil, was deployed in 2004 after a popular uprising forced Jean Bertrand Aristide, Haiti's last elected president, to flee into exile. In New York, the UN Security Council on Tuesday unanimously voted to renew MINUSTAH's mandate for at least another six months.
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by patriotic Sentinel, replying to hernandez on 15-Feb-06 10:31 PM
the idea of counting blank votes may have been a well-thought maneuvre. in fact, it fits well with the burning of ballots. it may well be true that the percentage of ballots removed for burning was replaced by blanck ballots in that exact percentage. in other words, the recounting may turn out nothing contrary to the official results if that is what actually happened. they have also chosen areas known to have a high rate of illiteracy as a calculated way of diverting attention to the fraud by projecting it the unusually high rate of blank ballots onto the presumed inadequacy of the illiterate masses. no wonder most of the blank ballots are officially listed as coming from poor areas. the idea of blank ballots representing the those who had wished to express their opposition to the election is not consitent with the poor areas. in pre-election talks in the media, it was the most affluent haitians who had argued against the election on the pretext of "rampant insecurity". those arguments were echoed by men such as apaid and boulos. in other words, if the blank ballots had been intended to express the rejection of the election, then a significant percentage would have come from the affluent districts such as laboule, canapervert, and so on, which was not the case.
now, what what do we? we should spend more energy on the investigation about the burning of the ballots than on the recounting of ballots that are in the possession of the electoral board. the key is to colllect the remains and hope that we can weigh it for an approximation of how many ballots were burned, and combining that information with the trend of the survinving ballots on which the the cross is visibly done for a paricular candidate. if the trend goes biasedly toward preval, then we can conlude that this trend must be the reflection of the entire sample prior to burning. why? if a sample has undertaken a random process such as the burning of a load of ballots_the criminals are not expected to single out from the transported load what individual ballots to burn and what to allow to survive the fire; they must have dropped them on the ground and proceeded to burning them_ then the outcome must also show that randomness. in other words, if there were many other candidates for whom the voters voted, then the surviving ballots must show that variety. if not, that is, if instead the surviving ballots show a uniforminity of ballots cross-checked for preval, then the sample load( the one transported for burning) must have carried less or more of that same uniformity. what are our chances? if the remains are recovered assuming that the wind did not carry most of it away, then we can compare its weight with that of an equivalent load of regular ballots whose number of single ballots is known. that number of ballots in the equivalent load would approximate the number of ballots criminally burned at *"TITANYEN". (lol)
If it goes well beyond the required 50% and one vote, then we have a case for the supreme court.
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by G. Simon on 2/15
Anonymous, You can twist the truth like the Greedy Vampires, but the facts speak for themselves. The Vampires are caught red handed. They should all go to jail. Congratulations president Preval for winning in the first round. After God come Ti Rene and Titid. We love you. G. Simon
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by concerned Citizen, replying to G. Simon on 15-Feb-06 07:43 PM
G. Simon, my brother this is another coup d'etat, but this time it was done through ARITHMETIC. That is a shame
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by anonymous, replying to G. Simon on 15-Feb-06 05:54 PM
"After God come Ti Rene and Titid."
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by G. Simon on 2/15
Greedy Vampires like Apaid and Baker should be arrested, tried and thrown in jail for life. Read the article below: ____________________________________
Smashed Ballot Boxes Found in Haiti Wednesday February 15, 2006 6:01 PM AP Photo PAP113 By ANDREW SELSKY Associated Press Writer PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) - U.N. officials sent troops to a garbage dump near the Haitian capital to collect hundreds of smashed ballot boxes and vote count material on Wednesday, more than a week after Haiti's disputed presidential elections. Associated Press journalists saw hundreds of empty ballot boxes, at least one vote tally sheet and several empty bags, numbered and signed by the heads of polling stations, strewn across the fly-infested dump five miles north of the capital. ``That's extraordinary,'' said U.N. spokesman David Wimhurst. Leading candidate Rene Preval has alleged that the Feb. 7 vote was marred by ``massive fraud or gross errors'' designed to leave him just short of the majority needed for a first-round presidential victory. A wave of chaotic protests by Preval supporters sent foreign diplomats scrambling for peaceful solutions. The United States and other countries ``directly involved in the crisis'' were discussing a plan to have other candidates recognize Preval's victory and prevent a mass uprising, according to Marco Aurelio Garcia, foreign affairs adviser to Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. Brazil heads U.N. peacekeeping forces in Haiti. Haiti's interim government had already ordered a review of the election results, promising on Tuesday to form a new commission to quickly review voter tally sheets. Preval, the former protege of ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, has urged his supports to continue protesting nonviolently and says he will formally challenge the results if officials insist on holding a runoff in March. When the most recent results were posted on Haiti's electoral council's Web site midday Monday, Preval - a former president and agronomist - had 48.76 percent of the vote with 90 percent of ballots counted. He would need 50 percent plus one vote to win outright. ``The government wants to make sure that everything with the process is correct,'' interim Interior Minister Paul Magloire told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. ``We're going to review the results because we want to make sure what we have is right.'' The commission would include representatives of the president's office, the electoral council and Preval's party, said Michel Brunache, chief of staff of interim President Boniface Alexandre. Late Tuesday, the local Telemax TV news broadcast images from the dump north of the capital showing smashed white ballot boxes with wads of ballots strewn about. Ballot after ballot was marked for Preval. Among the bags seen by AP was one vote tally sheet from the Port-au-Prince neighborhood of Carrefour that recorded 129 votes for Preval out of 202 cast. A man picking through the dump, Jean-Ricot Guerrier, said a truck dumped the material a day after the election. Someone tried to burn the material, but rain put out the fire, he said. Wimhurst said the ballots could have come from any of nine polling stations across the country that were ransacked on election day, forcing officials to throw out up to 35, 000 votes. At least one voting center was destroyed by people tired of waiting in line, others were destroyed by political factions, he said. Wimhurst also said it was possible someone dumped the ransacked ballots to create an appearance of fraud. The electoral council issued a statement saying it will investigate the incident because it ``could cause confusion in the electoral process.'' The constitution indicates that a challenge would go to the Supreme Court, but the interim government recently decreed that any complaints should go to the electoral commission - the same body that is releasing the results. The U.N. provided security for the vote and helped ship election returns to the capital but is not directly involved in counting ballots. In New York, the U.N. Security Council urged Haitians to respect election results and refrain from violence, and it extended the U.N. peacekeeping mission in Haiti for six months, until Aug. 15. A runoff election would pit Preval against second-place finisher Leslie Manigat, also a former president, who received 11.8 percent of the vote. Manigat's wife, Myrlande Manigat, declined to say whether anyone had approached him about withdrawing. A popularly elected government with a clear mandate from the voters is seen as crucial to avoiding a political and economic meltdown in the Western Hemisphere's poorest nation. Gangs have gone on kidnapping sprees and factories have closed for lack of security. Of the 2.2 million ballots cast, about 125, 000 ballots have been declared invalid because of irregularities, raising suspicion among Preval supporters that polling officials were rigging the election. Another 4 percent of the ballots were blank but were still added into the total, making it harder for Preval to obtain the 50 percent plus one vote needed
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by G. Simon on 2/15
Greedy Vampires like Apaid and Baker should be arrested, tried and thrown in jail for life. Read the article below: ____________________________________
Smashed Ballot Boxes Found in Haiti Wednesday February 15, 2006 6:01 PM AP Photo PAP113 By ANDREW SELSKY Associated Press Writer PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) - U.N. officials sent troops to a garbage dump near the Haitian capital to collect hundreds of smashed ballot boxes and vote count material on Wednesday, more than a week after Haiti's disputed presidential elections. Associated Press journalists saw hundreds of empty ballot boxes, at least one vote tally sheet and several empty bags, numbered and signed by the heads of polling stations, strewn across the fly-infested dump five miles north of the capital. ``That's extraordinary,'' said U.N. spokesman David Wimhurst. Leading candidate Rene Preval has alleged that the Feb. 7 vote was marred by ``massive fraud or gross errors'' designed to leave him just short of the majority needed for a first-round presidential victory. A wave of chaotic protests by Preval supporters sent foreign diplomats scrambling for peaceful solutions. The United States and other countries ``directly involved in the crisis'' were discussing a plan to have other candidates recognize Preval's victory and prevent a mass uprising, according to Marco Aurelio Garcia, foreign affairs adviser to Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. Brazil heads U.N. peacekeeping forces in Haiti. Haiti's interim government had already ordered a review of the election results, promising on Tuesday to form a new commission to quickly review voter tally sheets. Preval, the former protege of ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, has urged his supports to continue protesting nonviolently and says he will formally challenge the results if officials insist on holding a runoff in March. When the most recent results were posted on Haiti's electoral council's Web site midday Monday, Preval - a former president and agronomist - had 48.76 percent of the vote with 90 percent of ballots counted. He would need 50 percent plus one vote to win outright. ``The government wants to make sure that everything with the process is correct,'' interim Interior Minister Paul Magloire told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. ``We're going to review the results because we want to make sure what we have is right.'' The commission would include representatives of the president's office, the electoral council and Preval's party, said Michel Brunache, chief of staff of interim President Boniface Alexandre. Late Tuesday, the local Telemax TV news broadcast images from the dump north of the capital showing smashed white ballot boxes with wads of ballots strewn about. Ballot after ballot was marked for Preval. Among the bags seen by AP was one vote tally sheet from the Port-au-Prince neighborhood of Carrefour that recorded 129 votes for Preval out of 202 cast. A man picking through the dump, Jean-Ricot Guerrier, said a truck dumped the material a day after the election. Someone tried to burn the material, but rain put out the fire, he said. Wimhurst said the ballots could have come from any of nine polling stations across the country that were ransacked on election day, forcing officials to throw out up to 35, 000 votes. At least one voting center was destroyed by people tired of waiting in line, others were destroyed by political factions, he said. Wimhurst also said it was possible someone dumped the ransacked ballots to create an appearance of fraud. The electoral council issued a statement saying it will investigate the incident because it ``could cause confusion in the electoral process.'' The constitution indicates that a challenge would go to the Supreme Court, but the interim government recently decreed that any complaints should go to the electoral commission - the same body that is releasing the results. The U.N. provided security for the vote and helped ship election returns to the capital but is not directly involved in counting ballots. In New York, the U.N. Security Council urged Haitians to respect election results and refrain from violence, and it extended the U.N. peacekeeping mission in Haiti for six months, until Aug. 15. A runoff election would pit Preval against second-place finisher Leslie Manigat, also a former president, who received 11.8 percent of the vote. Manigat's wife, Myrlande Manigat, declined to say whether anyone had approached him about withdrawing. A popularly elected government with a clear mandate from the voters is seen as crucial to avoiding a political and economic meltdown in the Western Hemisphere's poorest nation. Gangs have gone on kidnapping sprees and factories have closed for lack of security. Of the 2.2 million ballots cast, about 125, 000 ballots have been declared invalid because of irregularities, raising suspicion among Preval supporters that polling officials were rigging the election. Another 4 percent of the ballots were blank but were still added into the total, making it harder for Preval to obtain the 50 percent plus one vote needed
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by anonymous, replying to G. Simon on 15-Feb-06 04:29 PM
Did you purposely ignore this part? ~=~=~=~=~=--
Wimhurst also said it was possible someone dumped the ransacked ballots to create an appearance of fraud. ~=~=~=~=~=--
Or is it the same blinders that make you think that Aristide is a saint that makes you unable to process that?
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by anonymous, replying to anonymous on 15-Feb-06 07:45 PM
he has selective sight along with selective hearing. Wich is nothing new for brain washed lavalasian. personally i say let them have their preval. Clearly these people know nothing about democratic processes. I just hope they don't beg the US, FRANCE, AND CANADA for help when he begins to rule them with an iron fist.
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by ayisyen Patriyot, replying to anonymous on 15-Feb-06 08:07 PM
I agree with you almost 100% all of the times Anonymous, but this time I don't because I don't believe Preval has dictatorship in his blood. He's pretty much a man of principles and discipline. He tried to make sure the taxes were paid, the administration was efficiently managed, etc.
His handicap really was his boss and that's why I feel so sad that fanatic lavalasian like Simon try to associate him with Aristide, and that is perhaps why he's being cheated against because the mainstream aristidian lavalassian are too eager to cry the two V's, victory and vengeance. Even though he tried to distance himself from him during and after the campaign, he hasn't done enough. People, the so-called "greedy vampires", as well as all clairvoyant and decent haitian, are so scared of the perspective of even the shadow of Aristide on the field. It is not a joke. The issues right now (fraud attempt, etc>) may be wrapped around one thing: Preval's refusal to categoricly dissociate himself from Aristide.
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by ajane, replying to ayisyen Patriyot on 17-Feb-06 02:29 AM
Now Preval has a chance to prove to the entire world that he can be a real president without taking orders from Aristide as he did religiously on his first term. Now Preval has the obligation to get these $ 800 million dollars stolen by Aristide and his associates from Haiti's public administration. And Preval should also find out why the "chimeres" were paid $ USD 4000/month.
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by patriotic Sentinel, replying to ajane on 17-Feb-06 01:57 PM
isn't this a contradiction?:
first they would claim that the roads and the schools were built exclusively by preval; and then, they would also claim unwittingly that preval received religiously his orders from aristid? but if the latter is true, then the roads and schools are aristid's orders; and if the the former is true, then preval has always been his own man, therefore the fearful association is dishonest. what do you stand, you cannot have it both ways?
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by patriotic Sentinel, replying to ayisyen Patriyot on 15-Feb-06 08:32 PM
yos�zi a �crit:
Citation:
"Plusieurs bulletins, film�s parmi des liasses, dont on ne peut affirmer si elles ont �t� effectivement utilis�es le jour du scrutin, �taient clairement marqu�s d'une croix en dessous de la photo de Ren� Garcia Pr�val, signe n�cessaire pour valider un vote au profit d'un candidat. Ceci est tir� d'une d�p�che de HPN en ligne. Une question demeure: ces bulletins ont-ils vraiment �t� utilis�s le jour du scrutin? Le fait est grave et toute la lumi�re doit �tre faite autour de cette affaire. S'il y a eu intention d�lib�r�e de soustraire des voix du d�compte, les auteurs de cette inf�mie doivent �tre s�v�rement sanctionn�s.
J'observe tout de m�me deux choses. La premi�re, c'est qu'une commission a �t� cr��e aux fins, dit-on, de v�rifier s'il n'y a pas eu fraude. Cette d�marche a tout mon soutien car elle nous am�nera, je l'esp�re, � la v�rit� du vote. Je d�plore toutefois que les autres formations aient pour l'instant �t� tenues � l'�cart de la composition de la dite commission, ce qui pourrait leur �tre pr�judiciable dans le cas ou cette commission donnerait � d'autres l'occasion d'op�rer de r�elles manipulations qui alt�reraient la sinc�rit� du vote � leur profit. La deuxi�me, c'est que Truitier, qui jouxte Cit� Soleil, est enti�rement contr�l�e par les gangs de cette cit� dont on connait l'affiliation politique. On peut donc l�gitimement se demander si on n'est pas en train d'assister � un montage sophistiqu�, avec la participation des gangs t�l�guid�s et celle, empress�e, de T�l�max dont on connait aussi les liens politiques du propri�taire avec le camp protestaire. Car, trois questions me viennent � l'esprit: qui oserait s'exposer � la vindicte des gangs de Cit� Soleil en s'aventurant sur un territoire qu'ils contr�lent, qui plus est avec des urnes bourr�es des bulletins d�pos�s par les �lecteurs de Cit� Soleil? Pourquoi ne d�couvre-t-on les bulletins que maintenant, au moment ou fusent les protestations de Mr Pr�val et, curieuselment, non enti�rement consum�s alors quon pr�tend qu'ils auraient �t� jet�s dans la d�charge d�s le 8.02.06? Les soldats de la MINUSTHA qui avaient pour mission d'encadrer le transport des urnes scell�es se seraient-t-ils r�ellement pr�t�s � une telle manoeuvre et dans quel but? Il y a, on le voit, des zones d'ombre qu'il faut �lucider et une exclusion des autres formations qu'il faut r�parer. Ceci dit, une commission est effectivement n�cessaire et chacun devra se plier aux conclusions qui en �maneront, sous r�serve, bien s�»r, qu'elle ne soit pas elle-m�me manipul�e" fellows, the above argument was made by senseless apologists who would go to the extremes in order to excuse the incompetence of our CEP. In bernard, as a businessman cannot efficiently organize an election, then with what brain does he succeed in business in haiti? that question apparently cannot be answered unless we assume that one needs no brain to succeed in business in haiti. here is my reponse to YOSEZI, a desperate apologist: text by patriotic sentinel, let me see if i can use OCCAM'S RAZOR IN THAT ONE: INNER-CITE SOLEIL where are found the gangs sympathetic to lavalas is geographically isolated and can be easily surrounded. in fact, that is exactly what the authorities have done. these gangs cannot venture beyond inner-cite soleil. that is the reason that dread wilme died after sustaining injuries in a gunbattle with minustha. he could not have been taken beyond inner-cite soleil for the serious medican treatment that his injuries required. now the voting centers were placed on the periphery of cite soleil, on the "route nationale numero 1", which is the entrance of boston and pele. these sections of cite soleil are known to be controlled by labanye-related gangs, presumably linked to apaid. now, the question is: whether it is more likely for the gangs of inner-cite soleil to have access to these now discarded ballots than it is for the gangs of boston? the pictures of the gangs of cite-soleil are prominently featured in the database of minustha with outstanding warrants against them whereas, the gangs of boston are not featured in the national police's most wanted list.
now is it easier for amaral and his gang to come out of inner-cite-soleil to seize these ballots in the face of minustha than it is for some gang-members of boston to get these ballots in concert with the managers of those polling centers placed there in advance by individuals who have relations with the election organizers? i do not think so as would indicate occam's razor. as far as for whom those ballots were voted, i have seen at least one ballot among the discarded ones with a non-ambiguous cross under preval upon visiting the site proposed by a fellow comarade. in one text, mr yosezi mentions a question that he deemed to be very relevant to the investigation, that is had the discarded ballots been used the day of the election? if that is the best the haitian press network can with, then they have very bad investigative instinct. if that is our first invbestigative step, then we may find ourself in a dead end. why? the fact that elections were postponed four times suggests that these ballots would not be dated with a prticular date of elections by the mexican manufacturers; and also, i would take a great amount of time for invididual poll-workers to date these ballots to correspond with the day of elections. in fact, it would be quite impractical and would require a lot of human labor, something that the cep did not even have sufficiently for the maintenance of polling stations. in other words, those ballots are not expected to be dated, and determining whether they were used at the time of elections on their own basis would be ridiculous. rather than trying to determine whether the ballots were used on that particular day, we should instead concentrate on the indiduals behind the burning. what particular cars were seen entering that area from tuesday to the time of discovery. now, if it turns out that the majority of the non-burned ballots among the remains are for preval, we can make a reasonable tentative conclusion on the following:
because the burning is a random act, one does not take selectively individual ballots to burn among the transported load. thus, if the majority of the surviving ballots show a pattern, then that same pattern must reflect the entire load prior to the burning; if not the majority of the surviving ballots would be for preval, but vary from candidates to other candidates since i have said that the burning is done randomly_ which would lead to randomness in the kind of checked ballots that have survived the burning.. in conclusion, if the majority of the surviving ballots among the remains were for preval, then it is safe to assume most of the burned ballots was for preval also.
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by G. Simon on 2/15
Anonymous, You are really a baby amateur in politics. You have to take politics 101. G. Simon
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by anonymous, replying to G. Simon on 15-Feb-06 04:23 PM
Yeah, I need to learn how CIA conspiracies are involved in every last aspect of every government in the world. I need to learn that all politicians have pure motives and never take money from lobbyists. You're right, G. Simon. And I need to learn that only rich, light-skinned people are greedy vampires -- no poor priests who claim to be saviors while sucking their people dry. You're right. Could you teach me a few things? Tutor me, maybe? I need to learn the ins and outs of conspiracies and how only the CIA, the rich and those on the right conspire to steal, never those on the left or the poor.
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by G. Simon on 2/15
Fact: The Greedy Vampires are caught "main dans le sac". Now you know who the real chimeres are. Baker & Apaid are the leaders of the Chimeres. The real chimeres don't live in Cite Soleil, Bel Air, or La Saline. Ask Baker and Apaid where the real chimeres live. G. Simon
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by G. Simon on 2/15
Fact: The Greedy Vampires are caught "main dans le sac". Now you know who the real chimeres are. Baker & Apaid are the leaders of the Chimeres. The real chimeres don't live in Cite Soleil, Bel Air, or La Saline. Ask Baker and Apaid where the real chimere live. G. Simon
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