yos�zi a �crit:
Citation:
"Plusieurs bulletins, film�s parmi des liasses, dont on ne peut affirmer si elles ont �t� effectivement utilis�es le jour du scrutin, �taient clairement marqu�s d'une croix en dessous de la photo de Ren� Garcia Pr�val, signe n�cessaire pour valider un vote au profit d'un candidat.
Ceci est tir� d'une d�p�che de HPN en ligne.
Une question demeure: ces bulletins ont-ils vraiment �t� utilis�s le jour du scrutin?
Le fait est grave et toute la lumi�re doit �tre faite autour de cette affaire.
S'il y a eu intention d�lib�r�e de soustraire des voix du d�compte, les auteurs de cette inf�mie doivent �tre s�v�rement sanctionn�s.
J'observe tout de m�me deux choses.
La premi�re, c'est qu'une commission a �t� cr��e aux fins, dit-on, de v�rifier s'il n'y a pas eu fraude.
Cette d�marche a tout mon soutien car elle nous am�nera, je l'esp�re, � la v�rit� du vote. Je d�plore toutefois que les autres formations aient pour l'instant �t� tenues � l'�cart de la composition de la dite commission, ce qui pourrait leur �tre pr�judiciable dans le cas ou cette commission donnerait � d'autres l'occasion d'op�rer de r�elles manipulations qui alt�reraient la sinc�rit� du vote � leur profit.
La deuxi�me, c'est que Truitier, qui jouxte Cit� Soleil, est enti�rement contr�l�e par les gangs de cette cit� dont on connait l'affiliation politique.
On peut donc l�gitimement se demander si on n'est pas en train d'assister � un montage sophistiqu�, avec la participation des gangs t�l�guid�s et celle, empress�e, de T�l�max dont on connait aussi les liens politiques du propri�taire avec le camp protestaire.
Car, trois questions me viennent � l'esprit: qui oserait s'exposer � la vindicte des gangs de Cit� Soleil en s'aventurant sur un territoire qu'ils contr�lent, qui plus est avec des urnes bourr�es des bulletins d�pos�s par les �lecteurs de Cit� Soleil?
Pourquoi ne d�couvre-t-on les bulletins que maintenant, au moment ou fusent les protestations de Mr Pr�val et, curieuselment, non enti�rement consum�s alors quon pr�tend qu'ils auraient �t� jet�s dans la d�charge d�s le 8.02.06?
Les soldats de la MINUSTHA qui avaient pour mission d'encadrer le transport des urnes scell�es se seraient-t-ils r�ellement pr�t�s � une telle manoeuvre et dans quel but?
Il y a, on le voit, des zones d'ombre qu'il faut �lucider et une exclusion des autres formations qu'il faut r�parer.
Ceci dit, une commission est effectivement n�cessaire et chacun devra se plier aux conclusions qui en �maneront, sous r�serve, bien s�»r, qu'elle ne soit pas elle-m�me manipul�e"
fellows, the above argument was made by senseless apologists who would go to the extremes in order to excuse the incompetence of our CEP. In bernard, as a businessman cannot efficiently organize an election, then with what brain does he succeed in business in haiti?
that question apparently cannot be answered unless we assume that one needs no brain to succeed in business in haiti.
here is my reponse to YOSEZI, a desperate apologist:
text by patriotic sentinel,
let me see if i can use OCCAM'S RAZOR IN THAT ONE:
INNER-CITE SOLEIL where are found the gangs sympathetic to lavalas is geographically isolated and can be easily surrounded.
in fact, that is exactly what the authorities have done. these gangs cannot venture beyond inner-cite soleil.
that is the reason that dread wilme died after sustaining injuries in a gunbattle with minustha.
he could not have been taken beyond inner-cite soleil for the serious medican treatment that his injuries required.
now the voting centers were placed on the periphery of cite soleil, on the "route nationale numero 1", which is the entrance of boston and pele. these sections of cite soleil are known to be controlled by labanye-related gangs, presumably linked to apaid.
now, the question is: whether it is more likely for the gangs of inner-cite soleil to have access to these now discarded ballots than it is for the gangs of boston?
the pictures of the gangs of cite-soleil are prominently featured in the database of minustha with outstanding warrants against them whereas, the gangs of boston are not featured in the national police's most wanted list.
now is it easier for amaral and his gang to come out of inner-cite-soleil to seize these ballots in the face of minustha than it is for some gang-members of boston to get these ballots in concert with the managers of those polling centers placed there in advance by individuals who have relations with the election organizers?
i do not think so as would indicate occam's razor.
as far as for whom those ballots were voted, i have seen at least one ballot among the discarded ones with a non-ambiguous cross under preval upon visiting the site proposed by a fellow comarade.
in one text, mr yosezi mentions a question that he deemed to be very relevant to the investigation, that is had the discarded ballots been used the day of the election?
if that is the best the haitian press network can with, then they have very bad investigative instinct.
if that is our first invbestigative step, then we may find ourself in a dead end. why?
the fact that elections were postponed four times suggests that these ballots would not be dated with a prticular date of elections by the mexican manufacturers; and also, i would take a great amount of time for invididual poll-workers to date these ballots to correspond with the day of elections.
in fact, it would be quite impractical and would require a lot of human labor, something that the cep did not even have sufficiently for the maintenance of polling stations.
in other words, those ballots are not expected to be dated, and determining whether they were used at the time of elections on their own basis would be ridiculous.
rather than trying to determine whether the ballots were used on that particular day, we should instead concentrate on the indiduals behind the burning.
what particular cars were seen entering that area from tuesday to the time of discovery.
now, if it turns out that the majority of the non-burned ballots among the remains are for preval, we can make a reasonable tentative conclusion on the following:
because the burning is a random act, one does not take selectively individual ballots to burn among the transported load. thus, if the majority of the surviving ballots show a pattern, then that same pattern must reflect the entire load prior to the burning; if not the majority of the surviving ballots would be for preval, but vary from candidates to other candidates since i have said that the burning is done randomly_ which would lead to randomness in the kind of checked ballots that have survived the burning..
in conclusion, if the majority of the surviving ballots among the remains were for preval, then it is safe to assume most of the burned ballots was for preval also.
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> To Justin - From G. Simon
Justin,
I respect the result of a free and fair election. You are right in a way, Preval was my p... |
G. Simon |
2/18 |
Now it is clear that the leader # 2 in Haiti after our President "Ti Rene" is "Charlito". Forget abo... |
ajane |
2/19 |
Mr. G. simon I liked your answer. I sensed honesty in your words
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justin |
2/18 |
> To Charles Henry Baker - From G. Simon
Election is over. Losing an election is never easy to handle; however, Baker said something that al... |
G. Simon |
2/17 |
G. Simon tell me this had preval lost and someone else had won, anyone. In a fraud free election wou... |
jusitn |
2/17 |
If the boat capsizes, then we all have to swim on our own to get out of this mess.
NAGE POU NOU SO... |
hernandez |
2/17 |
> Charles Baker Makes Smart Comment About Preval
i heard that charles baker made a smart comment about preval on the newspaper
anyone has a commen... |
Zorey Fin |
2/16 |
Not about Preval, about the deal that was struck:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060216/ts_nm/haiti... |
anonymous |
2/16 |
> Vote Blanc Made By Bush And Vampires - G. Simon
Group 004/Greedy Vampires (formerly Group 184), the Bush administration, CIA, and IRI invented the B... |
G. Simon |
2/15 |
hey, brother, it is the real me!
i should be happy, but i see a slippery slop in having foreign c... |
patriotic Sentinel |
2/15 |
PORT-AU-PRINCE (AFP) - Foreign diplomats in Haiti considered proposals that would give Rene Preval h... |
hernandez |
2/15 |
the idea of counting blank votes may have been a well-thought maneuvre. in fact, it fits well with t... |
patriotic Sentinel |
2/15 |
> To Anonymous - From G. Simon
Anonymous,
You can twist the truth like the Greedy Vampires, but the facts speak for themselves. ... |
G. Simon |
2/15 |
G. Simon, my brother this is another coup d'etat, but this time it was done through ARITHMETIC. Th... |
concerned Citizen |
2/15 |
"After God come Ti Rene and Titid."
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That explains it all. Tell me somet... |
anonymous |
2/15 |
> Proof Greedy Vampires Caught - By G. Simon
Greedy Vampires like Apaid and Baker should be arrested, tried and thrown in jail for life. Read th... |
G. Simon |
2/15 |
> Proof Greedy Vampires Caught - By G. Simon
Greedy Vampires like Apaid and Baker should be arrested, tried and thrown in jail for life. Read th... |
G. Simon |
2/15 |
Did you purposely ignore this part?
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Wimhurst also said it was possible someone d... |
anonymous |
2/15 |
he has selective sight along with selective hearing. Wich is nothing new for brain washed lavalasian... |
anonymous |
2/15 |
I agree with you almost 100% all of the times Anonymous, but this time I don't because I don't belie... |
ayisyen Patriyot |
2/15 |
Now Preval has a chance to prove to the entire world that he can be a real president without taking ... |
ajane |
2/17 |
isn't this a contradiction?:
first they would claim that the roads and the schools were built excl... |
patriotic Sentinel |
2/17 |
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patriotic Sentinel |
2/15 |
> To Anonymous - From G. Simon
Anonymous,
You are really a baby amateur in politics.
You have to take politics 101.
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G. Simon |
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> The Greedy Vampires Are The Real Chimere
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G. Simon |
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> The Greedy Vampires Are The Real Chimere
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